So, over at Feministing we have a brief post covering some Craigslist rant or other. And our Troll of The Day turns out to be a least as amusing as the original rant. Let's take a looksie, shall we?
Starting first, with the Craigslist rant.
Women are not actually attracted to men. There is a vague idea of what a man is physically, and some are better than others aesthetically speaking, but the purely physical appearance of a man is almost inconsequential unless he is horribly ugly or outrageously attractive.
Women are attracted to status, money, how much a man smiles and laughs, how many friends and resources a man has, how full a man's life is--how many "cool," "exciting" and prestigious things he is doing or connected to.
Hmmm... well, I can see how a man might look at the variety of men considered "sexy" in popular culture, compared to the women considered "sexy" and think that. Pop-culture sexy women are, for the most part, expected to be white, very slim or slight-of-frame, preferably with generously proportioned breasts (but ony so long as they are pert), with perfect teeth, as few age lines as possible, long and slender legs, glossy and long hair, a small nose, generous lips, trimmed eyebrows. So there is, in popular culture, a fairly standard ideal for beauty. Just take a look
here, for example.
In the top 10, we have...
Jessica Alba
Keeley Hazel
Eva Longoria
Adriana Lima
Scarlett Johanneson
Hayden Panettiere
Cheryl Tweedy
Angelina Jolie
Emily Scott
Elisha Cuthbert
The first black woman? Beyonce Knowles at number 18. The first "chubby" woman? Charlotte Church at number 65, and she only counts if you use Hollywood's yardstick for measuring weight.
Compare to this list of top 100 sexiest men...
Or this list...
Or this list...
You'' find plenty of women will say that George Clooney, Sean Connery, Viggo Mortensen, Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp are the sexiest men alive, You'll find men who are considered overweight, or old, or who have "character" as opposed to being "handsome".
So, from a male persepective, women may seem to pick men who aren't physically attractive as the ideal mate, because some men are taugh that physical beauty and attractiveness, from pop-culture's perspective, requires aperfect body, perfect hair, perfect skin, perfect health, perfect teeth. It could seem that we are attracted to men who have status, like Sean Connery. He is older now, but he is surely rich and well-to-do. Many women seem to fall head-over-hills for politicians, despite their tendency to look like melting fish.
But you know what?
Most of the men I have met; my friends, lovers, family members, elders, acquaintances... they all seem to like women who look more "real". I've knownmen who loved chubby girls, who thought shaved women looked odd, who like big noses, or thin lips, or crooked teeth, or boyish girls, or body-building girls, or older women, or who generally just love women of all sorts. The difference is that in pop culture, women are expected tbe perfect and so men become accustomed to seeing perfect women as beautiful. In contrast, men are allowed much more breathing space in terms of looks, so us women are moreused to seeing more realistic men.
Personally I love deep, commanding voices. Voices which sound strong, and imposing. I like broad, bulky, stocky men. I like dirty men with long hair and face fuzz that don't BSC themselves. I like men with lines around their eyes, a booming laugh and rough hands. These things are sexy to me. Some of them maybe things common in men with power; a commanding voice is likely to win over voters more than a reedy one, for instance. Booming laugher can be a sign of confidence, and confidence is necessary in order to get ahead. Older men are more likely to have been promoted or be higher up the career ladder, purely due to the time spent working. But does that mean that I am attracted to these things because they suggest wealth and power? Or do men with these attributes get wealth and power due because they are considered attractive? When a beautiful woman gets ahead, we are likely to say "oh, she only got there because of her looks", but we don't say that about men. Instead, we take their competence as read and then claim that those attracted to them are only after their money and power.
So, point one. Women do find men sexy. We get jolted in the crotch and get wet at the sight/sound/smell of a rough, manly man just as men get hard in the presence of sultry, seductive women.
Point two. So, lesbians don't find other women sexy?
A woman's attraction to a man is a function of her jealousy at the thought of another woman having that man. She doesn't care who he actually is or EXACTLY what he looks like physically, she only cares about the VALUE of the life he has constructed around himself.
A woman basically is a greedy materialistic prostitute. Although that sounds vulgar, it's true. She trades her physical self to buy into the success a man has created for himself.
Strange. My partner was homeless when I met him. Not the most "prestigous" of lifestyles, and I didn't exactly have to compete for him. My father-in-law, my dad, was a train driver still recovering financially froma messy break-up when he met my mum. If what this guy has saidis true, then how do so many working-class men, with low-status jobs, get laid? What about all the unemployed men? Or the men who otherwise lack "status" in the usual sense? Surely, not because they happen to be witty, loveable, sexy, caring, funny, intelligent, strong or have other positive characteristics? Why aren't there hoardes of single women, all desparately holding out for the most prestigious of men, and hoardes of single, low-prestige men, bemoaning the fact that rich, powerful men these days all have harems of their own?
As a man, I fall in love with how a woman is physically. I fall in love with simple parts of a woman. Like the way her hair falls around her face, the line of her neck, her shoulders. They way her ears might peek from her hair. Her eyelashes. The size and shape of her hands, her fingernails. The way she walks, the way she looks when she is tired or annoyed, the sound she makes when she sneezes, coughs, or cries. The way she sits in a chair. The way she breathes while experiencing different emotions. The way her lips move. A million little things.
Sure, a huge part of my attraction is mental, but the powerful seed of love that builds within me and crystallizes is based greatly on visual things that set off torrents of emotion and need.
It seems to me that women almost cannot think for themselves. Their estimates of worth are based on other peoples' estimates of worth. They don't really find an object beautiful on their own. The object becomes beautiful when other people let her know that it is beautiful.
Newsflash. Women do the same thing, to. I love my partner's eyes. I love his lips, the way they part and his brow furrows when he's concentrating. Ilove the roughness of his hands. I love how his beard tickles me when we kiss. I love how vulnerable and yet strong he looks when he's about to cum. I love how his arse look sin jeans when he's crouched over one ofour PCs, doing repairs. I love the few greyhairs he's already getting at 25, and the way the lines on his face crease up when he smiles, I love his mannerisms, the way he physically behaves androgenously, rather than acting out overt masculine actions. I love his big nose. I love the way he laughs when he's completely lost it over some joke. I love the way he smells after a day at work.
How is that not physical?
And how am I not thinking for myself, here?
To this guy, women aren't independent human beings, they are robots. With incomplete programming. Tell the robot to love something, and it will. Tell it to value money, and it will. Instructions go in, and it acts. It does not react. Merely acts.
How can any woman ever feel truly loved by a man who thinks of her as a machine? Perhaps that is the problem, here. Perhaps, and I am entirely projecting here, I'm not a mind reader. Perhaps, this man has been jilted. He has seen women leave him for men who, in his eyes, are more successful, more prestigious. Perhaps he thinks these women only used him, that he was a rung on the ladder to the top. Perhaps it never occurred to him that seeing women as lumps of meat, aloveable only for their looks, with badly-wired computer parts installed that are programmed to seek out wealth, made the women who tried to love him back away in favour of some one more loving?
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And next, we get some guy who calls himself "Yes Master". Now, as a sub, I have to saythat his opinion of women leaves me cold. I can think of few self-respecting subs who genuinely want to feel like a creature of less worth than their dom. We may worship those we call Master, but we expect to be valued in return, and respected. I'll call this guy "YM" for now.
Now, from his post, I'm pretty sure that YM didn't actually read ANY of the Craigslist article, nor did he read the breif article on Feministing. He saw the "pussy envy" picture and reacted to it, alone.
To envy something that has a such a short shelf life is inconceivable! Just plain stoopid too. A man to want to envy a pussy, is truly not the point here.
Short shelf life? So, wait, when does MINE expire? Shit, I'm 23! Even longlife milk doesn't last that long! Oh noes!
Penis Envy is the great female paradox. Women just want goddess status to allow for the same behavior patterns of men. The freedom to Slut it up without judgement in a negative light. The proof is in pudding. Today's drugs to knock back their period, to not become pregnant, to be all the slut they can be without having the anchor's of responsibility of childbearing, and to achieve what men have had and will always have.
Yeah, because contrlling childbirth has nothing to do with, say, not wanting to have another child. Or not being able to afford another child. Or not wanting to catch a sexual disease. Or not wanting to get pregnant if we are raped. Or not wanting to die in childbirth because we have a condition that results in a high risk of this. Or not wanting to die because we have tried to have a child and now have an entopic pregnancy. Or not wanting to suffer yet another miscarriage due to a condition we have. Trying to get rid of our periods has nothing to do with the crippling stomach cramps, shooting pains in the crotch, stomach, kidneys, thighs, spine, the migraines, the cost of prescription pain killers, the bloating, the mess of a thick, gloopy period, the knotted and bunged-up pubes, the cost of sanitary devices, the smell that some women suffer from. Nah, we just want to "slutit up".
Ummm... after that ge just stops making sense altogether. Go read it and see. I'm not completey sure, but I think what he is trying to say could be boiled down to this:
I think women are all sluts and it is their purpose to be objects for men and to cook and clean and have babies and be obedient, but now all these "feminazis" have turned up who want to be sluts and not get the telling off they rightfully deserve, so they've invented this idea of being a Goddess or of being important and equal to men and they try to push it by having men's jobs and having sex like men. They fail, and then they get raped and abused because they don't know what's best for them, because they have no accountability. So only a few "freaks" manage to do it successfully.
Yeah, that was about the most sense I could make out of what he was trying to say.
Except...
Accept what you are and stop making your selves and other females look bad or even worse for some. Men love you women just the way you are, so "Don't go changing" what you are. It's time you women start loving yourselves finally, I mean, damn it's 2007 already, how long you going to wait? And one more word of advice, Stop playing the "POOR US" card it's really unattractive.
Ah, so that;s it! He thinks we hate ourselves, and that we're trying to be "as good as men" so that we will be attractive to men!
But, seriously. So, you like us just as we are/were when we are/were submissive andobedient housewives? Good or you. And? What? Oh, you want a cookie? I know I didn't make my life choices to make men happy. I wanted to be an astrophysicist because I love science, because Ilove the elegance of mathematics and the joy of obscure scientific principles. What men wanted never entered into the equation. Men can like me or loathe me just as I am. So long as I like me.
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Okay, that was a long and serious response, consideringthat my initial, visceral reaction was to laugh so hard t'other 'alf asked me if I was okay. Serioualy, go there with a light heart and giggle away, like did. Hopefullyyou'll be less of a gek than me and will be able to enjoy it without the need to dissemble every word!